Nearly a decade ago third-party comment systems emerged to take on some of the burdens of running native WordPress commenting.
These products (Disqus, LiveFyre, and others) have offered features that aimed to enhance the commenting experience for both bloggers and commenters. Things like:
- Social sign-on
- Commenter profiles
- Community recommendations
- A back-end dashboard with all your comments across the web.
The features and problem solving quickly helped Disqus become one of the most popular and most used third-party comment systems around the web, with everyone from independent bloggers to big-name news publications using the platform.
While Disqus should be recommended for helping to further blog comments as a viable and worthy part of the blogging experience, it should also be recognized that this all comes with a price for end users.
Disqus and monetization
In order to build its user base Disqus made its comments platform free to use. It did trial paid subscriptions in 2010, but these were short-lived and were phased out in 2013.
Instead, Disqus makes its money from advertising, by placing ads adjacent to the comment area of your blog post.
This service, called Reveal, enables Disqus to place ads on a blogger’s post in a variety of positions:
- Above the comments. This places an ad box before the comment section and is the default position.
- In-thread. This interrupts the comment flow by placing an ad box between individual comments.
- Below comments. Exactly the same as the Above Comment placement, except now it’s after the comment section.
The goal of Reveal is simple: since Disqus doesn’t make its money from paid accounts, its primary source of revenue is from ads. By installing Reveal on its large user base, the thinking is the revenue should be equally large.
The problem is, these ads can be a bit hit and miss.
The image above is from a blog post by Erik Dietrich, founder of Daedtech, entitled “Reputation Suicide: Why I’m Quitting Disqus”.
In the post, Erik talks about Disqus’ recent decision to charge to remove ads from being displayed on the blogs of free accounts, as well as the quality of the ads on display and the relevance to the user.
Instead, users would need to pay $10 per month to remove the ads, as this email shows (also from Erik’s post).
In the comments section – and in no small part due to the pushback Disqus received on this new approach across its users – a member of the Disqus team advised they would improve the quality of ads, and that their new model would allow free, smaller users to opt-out of displaying ads instead of paying a monthly fee.
While this can be considered a win for content creators like Erik, it’s dependent on the remaining ad-enabled users making enough money for Disqus, or enough accounts willing to pay the monthly fee.
Given Disqus laid off about 20% of its staff in December of last year as it moves into a data provision model, publishers using the platform may yet be hit by a monthly fee to remove ads, regardless of publication size.
Speaking of data provision models…
Disqus and the ongoing privacy concern
Monetization is one thing and, to be fair to Disqus, is something that many content-focused businesses struggle to master.
Do you offer free to the majority, and hope some premium users cover the cost, or do you offer tiered pricing in the hope that there’s a plan that is suitable for everyone?
If the monetization issue was something that Disqus is having push back on, it’s nothing compared to the ongoing concerns regarding privacy, and what Disqus does with all that data it collects from you and your site visitors.
This issue first got wider attention when Automattic founder Matt Mullenweg posted about changes to Disqus’ model in a post at the end of 2014.
When discussing the announcement that Disqus now had “the largest and deepest profiles on the web” and what that meant for advertisers, Matt translated it simply and eloquently:
We’re tracking everyone who visits a website with Disqus enabled and building a profile on them based on the content of the sites they visit and any comments they leave. “Deeper” than Facebook.
We all know how Facebook treats our privacy, so this move by Disqus rightly raised concerns and continues to do so today.
Well-known blogger Chris Lema also highlighted his removal of Disqus due to privacy concerns not only for him but any commenter on his site, regardless of whether they’re a single comment user or a frequent one.
It means, I think, that even though I might have turned off the ads on my own site, the people coming to my site, and commenting, were having that data aggregated by Disqus to turn into a profile to be used for placing and selling ad space.
That means my visitors – without knowing and without me warning them – were getting tracked while on my site for something Disqus planned to do.
And I hadn’t realized it.
So I just killed Disqus commenting on my site.
While Disqus have since introduced a “do not track” option, this is hidden through a bunch of clicks and hoops inside their Terms and Conditions and must be enabled on a user-by-user basis.
Speaking of Disqus’ Privacy Terms, there are some other key areas that stand out.
- Information Collection on the Service Our Service allows for an interactive experience by integrating a commenting platform. By using our Service you understand and agree that we are providing a public comment sharing platform and that we or other Users may search for, see, use, re-post any of your User Content that you make publicly available through the Service.
Looking at the first point, the part that both publishers and commenters may want to consider in more depth is the part about “… may use, re-post any of your User Content…”.
Now, while this language is to encourage wider distribution of content/comments, it also opens it up to abuse and misuse.
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The second point is more concerning. Because Disqus is looking to make money from ads, it’s opened up its platform to a plethora of advertisers, all of varying quality.
Why would you do this?
Look, this isn’t meant to be a post bashing Disqus. As mentioned at the start, the company was an early leader in the blog comment space when it came to third-party features, and they helped return comments to the fore.
That should be applauded – without Disqus, it’s arguable that blog comments today may not be as popular as they continue to be.
However, improving comments and the user experience shouldn’t come with a hidden price, especially when that price is something as valuable as your data and the integrity of your site – especially when better solutions exist.
As blog comments see a rebirth in both value and importance, the distinction becomes even bigger. You can either accept selling your data in exchange for some extra comment features, or you can remain in control at all times.
If you’re ready to start taking that control back, we’re ready to get you started.
Yeah, everything is getting archived, aggregated and analyzed – and, ultimately, sold and resold, utilized in all sorts of (nefarious) ways, most so unimaginable that we couldn’t even discuss it, outside of a (creative, hehe) scientific publication.
So, then, we move to encrypted communications – in order to, actively, promote and propagate terrorism (among other things). At the end, we get blamed for everything and further privacy invasion, control methods and so on, ad nauseam, are introduced.
Well we all know from the recent Facebook privacy issues that when your offered a free service. It comes at a cost for the user benefiting from the free service. Some how these services like Facebook, Disqus, or whatever must pay for people to develop it, operate it, pay for data storage and server/network use. I guess for myself privacy is the trade off and you either accept it, or you choose not to use that service. You have very little power given that you do not pay for the service so you don’t have much power other then not choosing to use the service.
Wanting to leave comments on at least two news websites, I was confronted by the requirement that I sign up for Discus, which then asked for personal data, including my physical address. Discus went on to lie about the reasons for this, saying it was to identify and authenticate my comment and the location of the sender. No reputable news site asks for this. If a location needs to be identified, asking for the city or zip code is sufficient. It’s a terrible shame that news sites like The Hill, which gives useful information, would agree to have a sleazy company like Discus — and it’s new corporate owner — control the comment section. Ultimately, only those who aren’t smart enough to consider the consequences or are happy to have their information sold will be able to comment.
Yup. Same with me, just a normal citizen of a German city in which there is only one monopoly daily newspaper, an I wanted to comment on an article. Of course I saw immediately that the request to register with disqus goes together with the request for authorizing a data leech to sell your private info to whom it may concern. It’s big business. So I mailed the newspaper if this was not an issue covered by our new European regulations on data protection, and the daily newspaper responsibles replied they can’t see any issue. Then I threatened them that I would take them to court if my data would be misused for a purpose I cannot control, and they more or less discouraged me to do so because they couldn’t be held responsible for how I cope with “third parties”. Indeed: in court and on the high seas man is in the hand of god – if that one ever existed. Can be debated on disqus.
I might take them to court and
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This was a very informative post and now I’m on the fence about a Disqus install. Have you heard of wpDiscuz? If so do you think it’s better than Disqus as it removes the whole privacy issue by keeping the comments on the native database?
Frankly speaking, I do not like this commenting platform… disqus always takes a lot of steps to leave a comment and it makes me mad
Thank you for the detailed write up. This had made me second guess integrating Disqus. I will roll my own comment system as it seems Disqus is bad for users privacy and data ownership.
For sure! Be well and keep in touch.
It is the infernal Captcha nonsense they hit us with, each time we want to log in to Disqus, that is driving us crazy. Plus every time their bloated cookies (read: dossier!) overrun our RAM/memory, the system crashes, which means we have to re-log-in, which means another darned confrontation with google’s Captcha crud. :(((
Disqus definitely offers a good user-experience for blog readers looking to discuss the content of articles. I actually really liked being able to go back and see all of my comments in one place so I could easily check back into my conversations.
This article (https://choosetoencrypt.com/news/privacy-issues-with-the-internets-most-popular-websites) discusses a lot of the issues that Disqus actually perpetuates. I think the Facebook embeds for comments are worse than Disqus…but just my opinion.
I originally though Disqus was a great idea a very long time ago. The internet use to be a lot more decentralized then slowly became more centralized. Now it seems its going back to decentralization. Disqus is a great tool and convenient. But its bad for your users privacy and also it could go away or shutdown. Relying on a centralized comment service seems like too much extra risk.